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Music industry mulls law change

OUT-LAW Radio, 09/11/2006

We hear how the law on the use of MP3 players is so out of date, even the music industry wants to relax the rules, and we talk to the man who beat the TV licence rap.


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Hello and welcome to OUT-LAW Radio, the weekly podcast that keeps you up-to-date on all the twists and turns in the world of technology law.

Every week we bring you the latest news and in-depth features that help you to make sense of the ever-changing laws that govern technology today.

My name is Matthew Magee, and coming up on this week's show we hear why millions of people in the UK are breaking the law every single day, just by using their MP3 players, and we talk to the man who brought the TV Licensing Authority to book.

But first, the news.


  • CA's former chief jailed for 12 years;
  • Privacy bosses vow to fight surveillance together; and
  • Palm says NTP is suing on 'patents of doubtful validity'

The former Chief Executive of one of the world's leading software companies has been sentenced to 12 years in jail for committing securities fraud. Sanjay Kumar of Computer Associates has also been fined $8 million.

Kumar was Chief Operating Officer of Computer Associates, now renamed CA, before becoming Chief Executive in 2001. He pleaded guilty earlier this year to securities fraud and to obstruction of justice.

The accounting scandal centred on the false inflation of quarterly results. Deals which were signed after a quarter ended were backdated so that they increased a preceding quarter's revenue figures. Kumar was found to be involved in the scheme, in which he was said to encourage sales people to operate a '35 day month'. The practice led to the incorrect reporting of $2.2 billion worth of revenue. Executives at the company lied to an initial investigation and withheld evidence, the government's case said.

A group of international data and privacy protection commissioners has decided to act together to challenge the surveillance society which they claim is developing. Commissioners from the UK, France, Germany and New Zealand will adopt common policies after agreeing to co-operate at the Annual Conference of Data Protection and Information Commissioners in London last week.

Data and privacy commissioners will support the establishment of an international convention on data protection, which was first agreed on by commissioners in 2005.

The company which sued the maker of the Blackberry for patent infringement launched a similar case against handheld computer firm Palm this week. Canada's research in motion (RIM), who make the Blackberry hand-held email device, paid $612.5 million to settle with US firm NTP in March, though it did not concede that it had infringed NTP's patents.

Patent holding company NTP now alleges that Palm is infringing its wireless email patents.

Palm said that all seven of the patents involved are "are being re-examined by the US Patent and Trademark Office (PTO) and have been rejected by the re-examiners as invalid."

That was this week's OUT-LAW News.


Millions of people across the UK break the law every day by putting songs that they have legitimately bought on to their MP3 players. The law is an ass says one influential think tank. The Institute for Public Policy Research has added its voice to a growing clamour for copyright reform. The author of the report which called for a private right to copy, Kay Withers, explains why change is essential.

KW: The reason we have called for a private right to copy, is that we just feel that currently copyright laws just mean that millions of British consumers are breaking the law effectively when they copy CDs to their computers, so it is just out of date with consumer practices and particularly technological progress. 

MM: Obviously you are right in saying that millions of people are breaking the law every week by doing this. That doesn't make a law change right though does it? I mean you can't change the law just to follow people's behaviour?

KW: No I mean obviously we are not just saying that is the sole reason but I think if you look really at what the law currently would expect consumers to do, it just doesn't really seem fair. I mean asking someone who buys a CD in HMV to then have to go onto a digital music store and buy that content again so that they can listen to it personally based on their hi-fi and their MP3 player just doesn't seem fair.

The group that tracks and takes action on copyright breaches for record companies is the British Phonographic Industry. Even the BPI – the industry's own copyright police – thinks that a change of some kind is needed. Richard Mollet is the body's Director of public affairs.

"We certainly agree with the line that something needs to be done. Whether one actually changes the law or not is actually a moot point, because it is possible to give consumers that permission simply through authorisation from the existing rights holders. So you don't re-write the law but existing rights holders could say to consumers here is what we are allowing you to do."

Withers disagrees. She says that a full law change is essential, that users right to copy must not exist purely on the whim of the recording industry.

"I think it's important because for three reasons basically.  One I have mentioned I think it reduces confusion for consumers.  Secondly I think it increases the legitimacy of copyright law and finally you know it's good that the BPI have said that they are not going to prosecute, but really we feel it should be the Government deciding what the consumers' and citizens' rights are rather than private businesses."

There is a snag, though. European rules say that a country can choose whether or not to have a private right to copy. But if they do have the right, then they must compensate artists.  Most in Europe do this through an extra charge on blank CDs, hard drives and MP3 players. Withers believes that no compensation at all is necessary, and that she can square that with Europe.

"There has to be kind of suitable financial compensation. I mean that we saw that suitable financial compensation in this sense is none really because it's not actually harming the artist. I would really kind of resist going down the private levy route because that does penalise all consumers regardless of whether they are copying media or not."

Amazingly, the BPI agrees that no compensation is necessary, as long as the copying is purely for personal use.

"If one allows a private right to copying then how does one go about compensation and that again is one of the tricky issues in this whole argument. We don't see what I've just outlined there as necessarily needing to be accompanied with a levies regime".

At the heart of the issue are questions about the very nature of copyright that are rarely asked, never mind answered. With large media multinationals dominating the debate, Withers believes that it has become skewed, and needs to be rebalanced. She believes the Patent Office can help.

"It's important to remember that copyright is for the whole of the UK population so when the Government is looking at this, they need to take all different point of view into account.  So it's not just artists, it is also citizens and consumers. It is also very difficult to kind of exactly clarify what the public interest is. For instance there is no kind of one public body in the UK which could be said to represent the public. The remit of the Patent Office should be changed to have the public interest at its heart because at the moment its mission is fairly narrow and we just feel that the Patent Office should move forward to kind of take a role in communicating and consulting with a much wider group the stakeholders, both to explain regulation and to improve their awareness of really where the copyright and how copyright should be moving forward."

Former Financial Times Editor Andrew Gowers has been charged with reviewing copyright law, and should report later this month to Government. Mollet is confident that by then, we might have some answers on the private right to copy.

"Not to pre-empt the Gowers report, but it is my understanding that Gowers is going to say you know what, we do need to look at this law because too many people are infringing it and it must therefore need up-dating."


In today's cross-platform, multimedia age of multiplying kinds of on screen entertainment and splintering attention spans, just one of the many uses of a television is watching television programmes.

But even if you only use your set for non-broadcast viewing, the letters from TV licenses still come, as do the visits and, in some instances, the court cases.

What can you do? Well, one man took exception to the hectoring tone of the letters and visits he was receiving and took the Licensing Authority to court. John Hirst, who says that he only uses his television for watching videos, DVDs and CCTV footage from the two cameras at his house, first lost the case and then won it on appeal.

"Initially it began with the letters, you know there was a whole lot of letters came.  Each letter got more and more threatening as it went along.  You know basically saying these premises are unlicensed.  It was a whole load of assumptions that I was doing something wrong and there was a section in the letter that said if you don't require a TV then fill this in. But you know there is no requirement for anyone to give them any information whatsoever on anything like that so I just ignored the letters."

When he first took the Licensing Authority on, Hirst lost his case when, incredibly, a Magistrates' Court in Hull found him 'technically guilty'. The Court awarded him a complete discharge because it seemed to believe that Hirst that he did not watch live television programmes on his set, yet it simultaneously said he was guilty.

"The prosecution was arguing that because I had bought a TV, therefore I was in possession of it and therefore I was guilty you know as though it was a strict liability and that isn't the case.  Because it was a television, therefore it’s a receiver, therefore it is capable of receiving programmes and in that case I was technically guilty even though the Magistrates believed that I wasn't actually using it to watch live programmes."

Hirst suffers from a form of autism called Aspergers Syndrome but was left to defend himself because he said legal aid was not available. Nonetheless, he took his Appeal to the Hull Crown Court and won, when the Licensing Authority said it would not defend the case.

OUT-LAW Radio asked TV Licensing asked why they had failed to defend themselves, but they didn't answer that question.

"According to the Judge he said that the TV Licensing Authority had accepted my Appeal. You know so it was uncontested in that sense. Basically I don't think they thought they had a chance of winning the appeal."

Hirst took the case to appeal on a point of principle. Hirst objected to the fact that his guilt was assumed. Hirst has lived an extraordinary life. Convicted of manslaughter in 1979 he was a violent prisoner when, in 1989, he asked to be put on an educational pilot scheme in prison. He learned about prisoners' rights and used those, rather than violence, to fight for proper treatment in jail.

He later used the Human Rights Act to mount a successful challenge to the Government's ban on prisoners talking to the media, and founded the first prisoners' rights group, the Association of Prisoners.

It was the injustice of his latest treatment that prompted him to act.

"I have got a criminal record and I have admitted to offences, you know as severe as manslaughter, you know and arson, so I'm not going to lie on something as piddling as a TV licensing. Can you understand that? Whereas the TV Licensing Authorities assume that if you say that you don't watch a TV for live broadcasts, you're a liar. So they got that wrong. You know they picked on the wrong person. You know it is still down to the prosecution to prove guilt, not for the assumption to be there that you are guilty and you prove your innocence."

The extraordinary John Hirst there.

That's all we have time for this week, thanks for listening.


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OUT-LAW Radio was produced and presented by Matthew Magee for international law firm Pinsent Masons.

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