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UK's plans for child databases

OUT-LAW Radio, 30/11/2006

We find about about how the Government plans to track children, possibly illegally, and talk to one of email's pioneers.


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Hello and welcome to OUT-LAW Radio, the weekly podcast that keeps you up to date on all the twists and turns in the world of technology law.

Every week we bring you the latest news and in depth features that help you to make sense of the ever-changing laws that govern technology today.

My name is Matthew Magee, and coming up on this week's show we talk to the man who says that the Government is illegally gathering information about children even before proposed additions to its databases are put into action, and we hear to one of the men who made email possible.

But first, the news.


  • Number plate cameras could be illegal; and
  • Mobile devices could let police check nation's fingerprints

The Home Office is reviewing the legal status of automatic number plate surveillance cameras after the Chief Surveillance Commissioner advised that they could be operating unlawfully.

OUT-LAW has also discovered that the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) advises forces that warnings about the use of the cameras can be placed further down a road than the cameras themselves and still comply with legislation. This could breach the 'fair processing' principle of the Data Protection Act which requires visible warnings about cameras.

In his annual report, Chief Surveillance Commissioner Sir Andrew Leggatt has warned that automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) cameras could qualify as covert surveillance, and be illegal. "The unanimous view of the Commissioners is that the existing legislation is not apt to deal with the fundamental problems to which the deployment of ANPR cameras gives rise," he wrote in his report to the Prime Minister and to Scottish Ministers.

The Home Office has confirmed to OUT-LAW that it is investigating the situation.

The Police's new mobile fingerprint scanners will be allowed to check people's identities against the UK's entire population database when it comes into being, OUT-LAW has learned. It will give Police the ability to check instantly the identity of any UK citizen.

The Home Office has confirmed to OUT-LAW that the ID Card Act and the Serious and Organised Crime Act contain provisions for the mobile devices to access the entire population database, which will eventually carry fingerprint information for the whole population.

"They could check a fingerprint scan against the ID card register, but they have to have checked the Police fingerprint database first," said a Home Office spokesman.

Ten Police forces in England and Wales are trialling the mobile fingerprint machines. In the pilot the machines can only be used with the permission of the person involved, but should the scheme be activated nationwide the Serious and Organised Crime Act would give officers the same rights outside Police stations as inside them.

That was this week's OUT-LAW News.


In the next couple of weeks the Government will end consultation on yet another huge database to join the Home Office's Identity Register and the NHS's new Health Records System. This time it is children who will be put on a database. Already, children at risk of serious harm are on child protection databases, but the Government has proposed extending this to all of the country's 11 million children, possibly recording behaviour, dietary habits, medical and educational records in a system accessible to around 400,000 civil servants.

The Information Commissioner has just released a report he commissioned into the proposed databases and it makes alarming reading. That report was produced by the Foundation for Information Policy Research. Its chairman, Ross Anderson, says that the whole basis of the database extension is itself flawed.

"There are many concerns, but our two principal concerns are this: firstly, that by asking social workers to look into the affairs of almost 100 times as many children, most of whom don't require any particular special support at all, you are going to take attention away from the child protection cases with the result that some children will come to harm.  And secondly, the approaches that are justified in child protection, simply aren't justified in legal terms, human rights law, privacy law, data protection law when dealing with child welfare cases. In a child protection case, it is perfectly ok to over-ride privacy and to over-ride the wishes of parents, right because the parents are suspected of being serious criminals, but that is not the case in child welfare."

Data protection laws are framed to make sure information is gathered with the permission of the person involved and used only for specific purposes. Anderson worries that where children are concerned the laws will be flouted.

"In the case of those database uses which relate to youth justice, there may be some attempt to get consent but if consent is refused, they will use the data anyway. Because in the UK, the Home Office considers that it is more or less immune from data protection law. The UK Government takes the view that if it is using any data for police purposes, then it can do what it likes with it regardless of people's consent."

In fact, Anderson says the Government already breaks data protection law when it gathers information from children without parental consent, as it does for the Education Department's connections card, which connects children to advice and educational support.

"In the case where you are asking children for consent for the perhaps quite widespread use for their personal information the nature thing is to involve the parents, because the parents will strengthen the child's hand if the child actually wants to say no but is frightened of upsetting the teacher. So in these circumstances saying that it is ok just to ask the kids is wrong in law and we believe it is oppressive and unjust.

MM: And that is what they intend to do?

RA: That is what they do at the moment. They actually do this for example things like the connections card. The Government is not obeying the law of the land when it comes to getting consent for data sharing from children and their families."

The Department of Education and Skills told OUT-LAW that it had serious reservations about the report's objectivity and evidence base.

Its statement said

"The Department takes its responsibilities around data protection very seriously. The support, protection and safeguarding of children is our top priority but in fulfilling it we are conscious of the need to respect personal privacy. We have consulted the Information Commissioner throughout the development of our policies and specific databases and we continue to value this important relationship.”

Anderson believes that identifying children by their past behaviour as likely future troublemakers can become a self-fulfilling prophecy as authorities lower their expectations of certain children.

He doesn't believe, though, that the Government has sinister motives, just that the databases are a result of a policy drive that prioritises digitisation of citizen records ahead of all other concerns.

"I think they just blundered into it because of the e-Government agenda because of Tony Blair's statement that all Government services should be delivered electronically by 2008 and so in Whitehall your status appears to be determined by my database is bigger that your database game."

He also says that the fact that 400,000 civil servants can access the details is bound to result in a breach of security sooner or later

"It is a fundamental principle in security that you can have scale, you can have functionality, you can have security, you can have maybe two of these but you can't have all three in the same system. If you are going to have a system that contains personal information on individuals, it is highly functional that that is used to search on all sorts of parameters, then you better keep that system local because if you make it available to 400,000 people as is proposed it is going to be abused for sure."


It is almost impossible these days to remember a life without email, the technology that has utterly changed the way we talk to each other. Email had a long development through the 1960s, '70s and early '80s, as element after element was developed and refined. One piece of the puzzle that was the last to fall into place was a system for routing mail around the internet, a problem that was solved by Eric Allman with Sendmail. I talked to Allman about the genesis of his invention.

It all started in the dorm rooms of prestigious Berkely College in California, where tech students wanted to use the Arpanet email system. Allman managed to connect Arpanet to the college's own network in a fore-runner of his world famous invention.

"I tried to create a technology solution to a political problem and I said what they really want is not access to the Arpanet, most of what they want is email and so I can connect the Arpanet to the network that we already had at Berkely called Berknet, and forward email around. It was a very very simple program and you know it worked sort of, it didn't work well but it worked well enough to solve my problem."

Allman was not paid for his work, he was a database student, and says even now that if he had had any idea what he was taking on he would have baulked at the challenege.

"Berkely was supposed to build the internet platform for research and one of the things they needed was an internet mailer, an SMTP mailer, and so I let myself get talked into writing that piece of code although to be honest if I had known how much work it was going to be I probably would never have agreed to do it. It was harder to write than I expected. Most people who have worked on this sort of thing, say the same thing. It looks deceptively easy until you actually get in to try and do it."

This was the early 1980s. It was the golden era of technology innovation. At Berkely, at other Californian Universities and at military labs like ARPA and corporate ones like Hewlett Packard's PARC, many of the technologies we take for granted today were invented by many of the industry's biggest names.

"There were a lot of people are Berkely at that time that were just incredibly scarily bright and creative people, many of whom who have gone on and well known in the industry today so Eric Schmidt the CEO of Google was at Berkely at the same time I was and Bill Joy who was one of the founders of Sun Microsystems was there and one person said you know Bill had more idea in one afternoon than he would have in a month. People would follow Bill around just hoping to get an idea that they could turn into a PhD thesis and although a lot of Bill's ideas were pretty crazy ideas you know I think something I learned then is that some really truly creative people have really bad ideas but they also have a lot of good ideas."

Unusually amongst his peers Allman did not immediately turn his invention into a company and did not become a 1980s computing billionaire. He founded a company around Sendmail in 1998, and is now its scientific officer. Allman says that he had to wait that long since any earlier company could not have survived.

"Email wasn't the phenomenon then that it is now. Email was something that the geeks wanted but the commercial people didn't. I could have started earlier but I probably would have gone out of business because there wouldn't have been many people willing to buy it."

That's all we have time for this week, thanks for listening.


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